These pillows are great....I've ordered down pillows before from overstock, this time decided to go with the higher fill for a longer lasting pillow. These however are just a bit firmer than what i expected, but still extremely comfortable. One trick i've learned it a good way to fluff up the pillow after you take it out of the box is to put it in the dryer on air fluff/..NO HEAT for 10 minutes and WOW! Good rule of thumb would be to do this every month or so and you will always get extra life out of you down. I think these pillows had a 700+ fill but seeing how firm they are you can really get by with 650 if you prefer a little softer feel.