After lots of trial and error (I have about 14 pillows in my office right now) that 'just-feather' pillows are often pokey & stiff to sleep on, its just par for the course. Given that, I am HAPPY with these pillows, they are exactly what I needed, NO ODOR whatsoever - and I bought them to put in my shams to lean against while reading in bed. For sleeping, I prefer more down, with some feathers inside for support. It is always recommended to put pillow-protectors on your pillows underneath the pillowcase (or double your pillowcases, like the hotels do) and that will also help with the 'pokeys' while keeping it cleaner. These are good pillows, full and clean & I would buy these again!