These pillows are a really good deal and very high quality. I didn't think they would be as firm as they are, but everyone has their own preference on that. I have had these for over a year now and they have not needed any fluffing....EVER. Very nice pillow for the money. I bought a down pillow as I didn't like the firmness, but my gf loves the feel of this pillow, so I still have one on the bed. If you like em firm and fluffy this is perfect for you.