My current brown shoes are worn out, so I anxiously awaited the arrival of these shoes. Took about 6 business days to get them. I ordered them in my regular 8.5. Tried them on with fairly thick socks and they were way too small. I would recommend a size up for thick socks or at least a half size with thin. They weren't as stylish or comfortable as I had hoped for considering cost, so I will be returning and not exchanging.
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