I bought these because they are a little longer than the avg women's pants and I like a little more hanging over my boots. It is hard to figure out what size of men's pants a girl might need, but they worked for me
These socks are really warm, a must for the Michigan winter. They are thick, and this size fit both me (women's size 8-9) and my boyfriend (men's size 13). We wear them both out and at home.
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