I was so excited when I saw these drapes. I was looking for a creamish backround with a rich brown scroll design. Thought the shell was perfect. I spoke to a live chat agent and asked if the design was dark brown or black. He advised it was brown. I ordered them for my living room. When they finally arrived after two long weeks, I was very shocked when I saw how thin/sheer they are. Not to mention they were black and not brown. I did drape them over the exsisting rod to get an idea of what they could have looked like, and I must tell you that the daylight completely washes out the pattern. They really need to be lined to have the look of elegance in the picture. Perhaps the darker patterns are slightly better.