These pillows are very full and far from flat even after a full nights rest. I can barely get them into my king sized pillow case, they require a bit of shoving and shaking to get them in, very full and generously filled with down! No odor problems with my two purchased at all. Well worth the money. Some of the other pillows say 700 fill power but you look at how much they weigh and it's less than these pillows because these pillows are filled as advertised!