Since they quit making Dep Gel #7, I have been in search of a good styling gel. They make a larger number (stiff styling results) but they were not for me. When I saw this #5, I thought this may not have quite the holding power, but better than the higher numbered gels. Not the case--this produced as "stiff" a result as a #9 or higher gel--not qhat I wanted or needed. Is it good? Yes, but just not for me.