The Muks are average. They look OK, but don't give them to someone who gets the itches from wool. They seem to fit to the small side. The gift recipient said they were ok, but snug, and thought they would probably stetch, so kept them. The other gift recipient didn't end up getting them, because good old Overstock.com didn't ship the right size! Not unusual apparently, as this is the second time that they have done this to me. Ordered second pair in an XL, got and L. Checked my order, and their confirmation, it was all correct. What I received was not. But since it's Christmas, I didn't want to fool with the return and gave them to someone else. My advice: their picking for shipments must be careless if this has happened to me twice this year, so be prepared to have to return items if they aren't what you ordered. Otherwise they are ok, but it kinda takes the pleasure out of ordering from them if you often have to return the wrong item.