For me this is not what I was wanting, didn't pay attention when going back and forth deciding which set to buy. I like squishy pillows, but, if you want a really good, firm pillow, this is it. Even the outside material is really good and thick, no feathers getting out of these! My grand kids like these pillows when sitting up in bed to read or play their electronics.
This pillow offers no support at all. When I wake up in the morning my head touches the mattress and I have two huge bulges (the "pillow") on either side of my head. Needless to say I wake up with major headache and I consider this pillow a pain in the neck. One ended up.in the garbage but it came in a set of two so I'm stuck with one more. If you are a side sleeper and need support look somewhere else.
I used to sleep on a feather pillow for years but for some reason quit doing so. Was up on Overstock.com purchasing luggage and saw the pillows so read the reviews about how they were great for side sleepers. Had been in need of replacing my current pillow so thought I would be happy with these. They seemed all nice and fluffy when I took them out of the box so I was excited to try it. Sorry to say, after giving this pillow my best shot I am going to have to return them. They mush down to almost nothing when you lay on them. My neck was very sore every morning when I woke up and most mornings I woke with a headache. Since I quit sleeping on the pillow, my headaches and sore neck have disappeared.
I couldn't find feather pillows cased in ticking for my adult daughter who had lost her favorite pillow in the 80's on a trip to Disneyland. She has mentioned a few times that she still has never found another pillow she likes. So, when these came I sewed ticking (which isn't as thick as it used to be....) to the pillow front and back. She loves it! I still have the other one (still looking for the thicker old fashioned ticking) and now have granddaughter, grandson, and husband all wanting one for themselves. Guess I will have to buy another set.....